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Religion Survey, from [livejournal.com profile] gramina

1. Do you believe in God?

I find I can't answer this question with a yes or no. Belief plays a remarkably small role in my religious life. As far as doctrine is concerned, I'm critical of just about any and all of it.

There's a lot I could say here, but I'll start by saying I don't know how to believe in something or someone when I don't know who or what they are. I have some thoughts on this, but I consider them essentially fiction.

I am, though, a person of faith. Faith, in my opinion, is intransitive, and transcends religion. I can recognize another person of faith no matter what beliefs or doctrine they profess.


2. Define God.

I'm fond of "that which never acts yet leaves nothing undone." I gathered many of my thoughts on this quite some time ago, and I'm surprised to find today that my thoughts on this question have not much changed in 8 years.

That said, I have had a few encounters or hints during meditation or dreaming that I experienced as a divine presence. Was it God? I don't know.


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Look, I have to say something about the 'Ground Zero Mosque,' because frankly, what I'm seeing disgusts me to no end.

First of all, I'm appalled by the very fact that anyone opposes it. I am not personally a huge fan of Islam, any more than I'm a fan of Christianity, generally speaking; the two religions are about 97% identical and mainstream versions of both think I am hellbound. But I do think that Muslims, like Christians, as members of our society have the right to practice their religion openly, in peace.

Muslims were among the Americans killed on 9/11. Muslims are among the US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. Muslims pay taxes (or avoid them, hehehe) just like everyone else in the US. To say that a mosque near Ground Zero is an 'affront' to survivors' families (1) overlooks the families of Muslims killed there and (2) papers over the distinction between peaceful Muslims and Islamist terrorists. It is thus a position rooted in sheer prejudice. Opposing the mosque near Ground Zero is like opposing a church near the spot where the Murrah building once stood in Oklahoma City.

Second of all, the ADL can take a flying leap into the Hudson River. They showed their true colors with their self-serving opposition to the recognition of the Armenian Genocide, and they show their true colors again by adding their voice to those of the haters on this issue.
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I've been told that some of the things i write come across as attacks on people or things i have no desire to attack. My use of language may have become kind of specialized and i thought i've explained myself as i've gone along, but just to be sure people understand what i'm saying, i will clarify my usage of a few terms.

I've become very bitter and critical towards religion. When i say "religion," i am primarily talking about organized religion: membership movements (you clearly belong to the movement or clearly do not) which require adherence to a particular doctrine (usually kept in writings deemed sacred), defined and maintained by an incorporated edifice of some sort, which ordains an official clergy to perform official rites and rituals. Religious membership almost always requires professing firm belief in unprovable statements.

There's some wiggle room here on what constitutes a "religion," but i think that's good enough for you to see what i mean when i contrast it with "spirituality," "mysticism," and "esoterica."

"Mysticism," in my usage, is subjective examination of one's experiences. I think i use the word to refer to something much more broad than most people do.

"Esoterica," in my usage, is a specific form of mystical inquiry involving the pursuit of certain altered states of awareness.

Most of the time when i use the word "spirituality" my intended definition is very specific, and refers to a pattern of misappropriation whereby some kinds of radical and dissenting speech are turned into safe "religious" speech, cleansed of its political overtones so that it seems only to convey instruction about the supernatural.

So, in my frequent criticisms of religion and spirituality, i am not meaning to criticize anyone's experiences of the supernatural or the numinous. I am not in any way putting anyone down for having such experiences -- i've had them myself and i do not repudiate them. Instead what i am criticizing, is the way that these experiences are stolen and co-opted by organized religion in order to suit agendas of control and exploitation.
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In conversation with [livejournal.com profile] lady_babalon this morning, she was surprised to hear that, while i consider myself a godless atheist, i do not renounce my experience of communion with the goddess, the meaning of my dream of the green man, or many of my other mystical or esoteric experiences.

This is not an inconsistent position, and i'll explain why.

The trajectory of religion throughout human history is to co-opt and misappropriate peoples' mystical experiences, to essentially steal and mislabel them and claim them in support of various power agendas. We learn early on that mystical experiences are "encounters with the divine," and are taught to correlate our various experiences with the concepts that other people, and institutions, have about the divine, and further, with the political and social ramifications connected to those beliefs.

One who has a mystical experience is told to tie this experience to a massive edifice of ideology, and offer it in support to the authoritarian institutions which speak in religious terms.

Consequently, i don't know what the word "god" means. I don't know what "divine" means. Yes, i know the dictionary definitions, but i don't know what the words really mean. We don't know what god is made of, or what clearly distinguishes god from the rest of the universe. What makes god stand out against the rest of existence? I don't even begin to know what god is supposed to be.

So all i know about god is what people say about god. And almost all of these comments are driven by some sort of personal, political, or institutional agenda. The word is nothing but a psychological pressure point, a button which institutions press to make us bend to their will.

I don't believe in or have faith in gods, divinities, deities or spirits -- by which i mean, i don't give any weight to what other people say religiously. (ETA: well, let me temper that. I react to other peoples' description of their experiences and frequently see parallels to my own experiences therein. What i discount are proclamations of doctrine or over-arching interpretations.)

In rejecting what other people say about "god", i am not going to also reject my experiences. My experiences are all i have. The mystical experiences i have had were profound and transformed my life. But i do not offer them up for institutional or ideological sacrifice.

Unfortunately, the only vocabulary i have to describe these experiences is a religious vocabulary, which makes them all too easy for other people to co-opt and speak about, as if they knew what was going on in my head or in my part of the world.
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A while ago i wrote about an idea i had, that perhaps economic necessity shaped the moral code of the Tanakh (aka the Old Testament) -- that pastoral societies have a need for maximum reproductive output from each person... hence mandatory marriage, polygamy, prohibitions on homosexuality and masturbation, and so on. I was quite proud of this theory; if i do say so myself, it's brilliant.

I also now think it's wrong.

At the time that i came up with this theory, i was not inclined to consider the likelihood that the people who devised these laws and wrote these texts had an agenda and were participants in a factional struggle for control of their society. This is because whoever opposed them no longer speaks to us across the millenia; the opposing voices in this debate were not recorded for posterity.

This is why i am now a proponent of what i've been calling (for lack of a better term i'm aware of) "embedded theology": because when you deliberately overlook the political agenda behind "spiritual" texts, when you don't examine religion through the lens of human power dynamics, you miss too much, and much of the real historical significance of a piece of "scripture" is obscured.

What makes me inclined to re-examine my previous hypothesis was a series of realizations about the militaristic and authoritarian imperialism of the modern USA. And what's going on now is not in any way new or unique, because it resembles too closely what happened in the last century.

It began in the early 20th Century with efforts to prevent 'undesirables' from having children -- eugenics boards, forced sterilization, etc. The Nazis took many of their ideas about sterilization from eugenics measures which were already being enacted in the US and Canada and elsewhere. (And actually, American proposals to euthanize people with disabilities helped inspire the Final Solution.) Alongside with eugenics, women of "desireable" races were encouraged or pushed towards having as many children as possible.

I cite this historical stuff not for hyperbole, but because i think most Americans are not aware of how deeply embedded these barbaric principles and practices are in our recent history, and to illustrate how potentially damaging the ideologies now being espoused by the American right-wing really are.

John Gibson of Fox News really tipped his hand when he told white women that they were neglecting their duty to have babies:

Do your duty. Make more babies. ...

Now, in this country, European ancestry people, white people, are having kids at the rate that does sustain the population. It grows a bit. That compares to Europe where the birth rate is in the negative zone. They are not having enough babies to sustain their population. Consequently, they are inviting in more and more immigrants every year to take care of things and those immigrants are having way more babies than the native population, hence Eurabia.

Why aren't they having babies? Because babies get in the way of a prosperous and comfortable modern life. ...

To put it bluntly, we need more babies. Forget about that zero population growth stuff that my poor generation was misled on. Why is this important? Because civilizations need population to survive. So far, we are doing our part here in America but Hispanics can't carry the whole load. The rest of you, get busy. Make babies, or put another way -- a slogan for our times: "procreation not recreation."

from Gibson: "Make more babies"


Behind this, we see exposed the nexus where sexism, racism, and homophobia swirl together into a single whole: a war over the nation's population. It doesn't matter to these reactionaries that America's population is still growing, it matters who that population consists of. And only someone hopelessly naive would think that this faction is not going to become more brazen and brutal in the coming decades.

Put this next to proposals to prevent the children of undocumented immigrants from having automatic US citizenship, and Pat Buchanan's crusade against Mexican immigration, and one part of the pattern comes into focus: they believe the US should have fewer non-white children.

Combine this with the new classification of all women of childbearing age as "pre-pregnant," efforts to deliberately make it harder for mothers to hold down a job, the ageless and ongoing efforts to stem abortion rights and make it more difficult for women to have access to any form of contraception, and another part of the pattern comes into focus: they believe white women should be forced to have more children.

A third part of this pattern comes into play with the right's program of mandatory heterosexual marriage, designed more than anything else to keep gay and lesbian people in the closet so they will reproduce, which is punctuated by the 'unintended' consequences of punishing unmarried cohabiting straight couples as well. The message, increasingly, is, "marry or else."

The babies you have better not be disabled, either. The right-wing, following ancient and historical precedent, is not too keen on protecting the self-sufficiency of people with disabilities, either. And the gateway to the Final Solution was the Tiergartenstrasse 4 project.

It was this comprehensive perspective on the modern "baby wars" that led me to re-consider my interpretation of ancient moral codes on reproduction. Efforts to encourage the upper class race to reproduce may prove to be a signature pattern of militaristic and expansionistic regimes.
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In the last week there has been a storm in the mass media about controversy over some comments Pope Benedict made about Islam.

You can read a translated text of the lecture at the heart of the controversy here.

Reading this text, it is quite immediately obvious that the mass media -- surprise, surprise! -- is mis-portraying the essence of the controversy. Muslims are not just 'overly sensitive' and protesting the Pope's obscure quotation of a medieval emperor -- though certainly that quotation doesn't help.

This entire lecture is a diatribe about the superiority of Catholic "reason" over the explicit irrationality of Islam and the godlessness of secularism. And this came from the Pope.

The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: Not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God's nature. The editor, Theodore Khoury, observes: For the emperor, as a Byzantine shaped by Greek philosophy, this statement is self-evident. But for Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality. Here Khoury quotes a work of the noted French Islamist R. Arnaldez, who points out that Ibn Hazn went so far as to state that God is not bound even by his own word, and that nothing would oblige him to reveal the truth to us. Were it God's will, we would even have to practice idolatry.


The violent actions of some Muslim protesters -- possibly including the assassination of a nun in Somalia (the perps gave no explicit motive) -- doesn't make it any easier for Muslim scholars to rebut Benedict's comments. (Nor, for that matter, does reality.)

But it would be nice to see the Pope demonstrate in what universe the Catholic Church has adhered to this lofty idea of Catholicism as a non-violent marriage of faith and reason. Not this universe, to be sure.

Catholics have been saying this about themselves since Thomas Aquinas. I've yet to see how it really works. Instead, what i see is an abundance of irrationality which is defended very eloquently.

Eloquence is not reason.

One more time: eloquence is not reason.

Reason demands full openness of discourse, inside and outside the organization. The Catholic Church does not have this. There is no recourse for dissenters or even, in some cases, for innovators; they are censured, cajoled by superiors to 'humbly reconsider' or to 'respect tradition,' forcibly silenced, denied participation in sacraments, defrocked, excommunicated. In previous eras, they were also tortured or executed.

Coersion of dissidents is defended with eloquent expositions, which are then described as "reason" because they are moderate and intellectual in tone.

If 'Truth' will truly prevail, then there is no reason to fear any line of inquiry. So why does the Church suppress any critique of doctrine? This is not a marriage of reason and faith. What kind of faith turns away from the truly difficult questions?

The Catholic Church is guilty of the same charge Benedict makes of Islam.

This Pope is fond of warning about dangers he perceives in secularism -- and i think he perceives the same danger i do, of meaning being driven out of our cultural discourse. I am an atheist and i can see the same dangers, but i do not think the solution is for humanity to seek refuge in the deafening echo chambers of religion or tradition.
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Sometimes i'm just absolutely stunned by the depths to which hatred of women can sink. And i'm dismayed when i see how often the primary excuse is "defending our religious traditions."

Maybe it's the peace, love, and compassion speaking, but no principle is worth defending if it creates injustice.

Lawmakers from a coalition of six Islamic groups threatened on Tuesday to vacate their parliamentary seats if Pakistan's government changes a rape law criticized by human rights activists.

... Under the current law, approved by a former military dictator in 1979, prosecuting a rape case requires testimony from four witnesses, making punishment almost impossible because such attacks are rarely public. A woman who claims she was raped but fails to prove her case can be convicted of adultery, punishable by death.

Maulana Fazalur Rahman, a leader of the Islamic coalition, said Tuesday that lawmakers in his group would vacate their seats in the National Assembly if the government tries to get the assembly's approval to change the law.

"We will render every sacrifice for the protection of the Shariah (traditional Islamic) laws," he said at a news conference.

However, the ruling Pakistan Muslim Party — which has a majority in the assembly — has praised Musharraf for taking steps to amend the law and end the four-witness requirement.

from Rape law rankles some Pakistan lawmakers
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I've been flirting with the label of "Bright" (mostly as an act of self-defense, since i have come to consider religion a direct threat to my life, health, sanity, and well-being).

But i'm not sure that my views are actually 'naturalistic,' in the sense that they mean.

I do not believe in anything supernatural. I do feel very strongly though that there are things which rationality cannot explain. Rationality is a product of the human nervous system and therefore contains inherent limitations. To be a naturalist, is it necessary to believe that all natural processes can be rationally described?

Notable Brights like Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett actively deny the existence of the mind, claiming that it is an illusion created by the brain's continual revision of an ongoing first-person narrative. Dennett's conclusion is based on the presumption that everything that occurs within our conscious mind MUST have a neural correlate.

This is not a presumption that i'm willing to concede. My theory that mind is a physical field is naturalistic and monistic (i deny the "mind/body duality") but not eliminative or deterministic. Supernatural? Close enough for government work?

My thoughts about god are pretty unconventional too. My attempts to describe god as "meaningfully nonexistent," as something that exists in the potential for things to happen or grow or as a result of the conscious explication of reality out of the holomovement, feel to me now, in retrospect, as somewhat desperate attempts to justify holding out for the possibility of any sort of transpersonal being in the light of serious questions that the idea of god is anything more than a hiccup of the human brain.

Pascal Boyer made a point which sticks with me. On page 158 of Religion Explained he points out that our understanding of god is primarily concerned with god's knowledge of and concern with human affairs. Thus it seems silly or irrelevant to ask whether god knows the state of every machine on Earth or what every insect is up to, or what god is made out of... and these questions seem silly because we think of god primarily in terms of god's relation to us, to other people, and to human society. I think it was this point that nailed the coffin shut, for me.

I don't want to deny the importance of faith or hope, or it's potential for transforming someone's life for the better. But is it necessary to have faith "in" something? Or, alternately, is it necessary to discard faith and hope utterly if one is an atheist? I have long thought that the whole idea of holding faith hostage to one set or another of poison memes is an intolerable cruelty.
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Once upon a time, i was a conservative Christian. I turned away from this during my early teens, when i began to realize that certain of my beliefs simply could not be reconciled with logic, science, reality, and my personal experience.

During my years as a non-Christian, as i explored many different approaches to spirituality i never stopped feeling like a spiritual refugee, and so when i learned about Gnostic and liberal Christianity i began to think maybe i had found a way to come home, spiritually speaking.

Liberal theology is rooted in an approach to scripture at odds with the fundamentalist belief that the Bible is literally true, infallible, and designed as a timeless guide to life, belief, and morality. It has nothing to do with liberal politics, though many liberal Christians are also liberal politically.

Finally, a kind of Christianity i could sink my teeth into!

But after years of exploration in the realm of liberal theology, i find i still cannot reconcile Christianity, this time with economics, ethics, philosophy, justice, and again my personal experience.

Christianity is based on the idea that humans are separated from God in some profound way. The conservative Christians talk about "original sin" and "sin nature" which passes from father to offspring. In the Calvinist formulation, people are inherently "totally depraved," utterly incapable of embracing good and worthy by default of eternal damnation.

The problem with this belief is that it is damagingly divisive. Someone who is "lost in sin" is too easy to see as less than fully human, less than fully capable, worthy of pity or rejection. It is too easy to justify to oneself participating in the mistreatment of people who are called by one's leaders less than fully human; and history bears out the problems this has allowed.

Liberal Christians understand how divisive this belief has been and rejects its overt forms. But most of the liberal theology i've encountered does not, in the end, truly reject it -- because they still rely on Christ for some sort of salvation.

Spong, for example, proposed we understand humanity as "incomplete," still a work in progress. Other liberal theologians describe us as in need of healing from without, in need of divine guidance or leadership.

In the past, i looked to the idea of soteria as "healing" or self-improvement in the hopes of understanding Christian doctrine in a non-divisive way. This approach can only work if and only if healing is seen as voluntary, as something we seek if we recognize a need for change in ourselves. It should never be seen as something which all of us must undertake -- because then it becomes, in turn, an "us vs. them," a question of "who is seeking healing and who isn't?"

But the idea of Christ as an envoy from God, or a reflection within humankind of the divine presence, makes it impossible to think of healing as something voluntary -- because Christ, as the perfect human, the ideal to which we are to aspire, is a yardstick by which we will always come up short.

The fundamentalists see Christ as God in human form. Liberal theologians are likely to see Christ as a metaphor for human potential, or the divine presence in an understandable form; or they see Jesus as an extraordinary person, someone of immense charisma who moved socio-political mountains and taught people a lot about tolerance and love and co-operation.

I was striken then very hard by the observation of Elisabeth Schuessler Fiorenza that perhaps the proper way to view the early Christian movement is not one that starts and ends with Jesus, a single extraordinary individual, a man who saves us all by leading the way to a bright new world, but as a broad and diverse social movement to which many people contributed with their bravery and their witness. In this view, Jesus is simply a person who became, for a time, the movement's chief galvanizer and spokesperson.

To take a galvanizing figure and make him a figure of worship or emulation and to make him the central focus of theological inquiry takes the emphasis from where it must be (justice and compassion). The idea of Christ is therefore misappropriation; it diverts inquiry from the hard questions of justice and ethics and spins us in a whirlpool of philosophical auto-eroticism. (ETA: Alright, i know that's harsh. But immersion in a quasi-Marxian-inspired point of view has made it difficult for me to see anything that does not immediately contribute to justice as a potential contributor to the status quo, by taking our energy away from the important areas of focus. I've always been accused of being too serious for my own good.)

Is there any way to preserve the idea of Christ and maintain a focus on justice and compassion? I eagerly sought one. The best i could come up with is the idea that Christ is something which those who follow the Christian path are called upon to become or to embody when we they confronted with a person in need or an ethical dilemma.

But if that's the way it works, then phrasing it in terms of "Christ" or "savior" is distraction -- or worse, because the loaded cultural values of these terms means that phrasing discourse about acting justly or compassionately in this way makes us forever in danger of being diverted away from ethics and onto the distraction of Christology. It's safer just to say, "We have to be just and compassionate with one another," than to bring a religious term into it that risks diversion.

This leads to another concern i had, which is that once you apply a word to something for ease of description, people take the word and run with it as a label, and use it in a normative way to distinguish between one thing and another. Similarly, any kind of organization formed by people of one generation to solve the problems they face becomes a rigidified edifice which tends to cause problems in future generations.

In other words, anything resembling "systematic" theology or philosophy -- the attempt to coalesce one's worldview into a concise set of concepts -- puts us in danger of creating fodder for the perpetuation or justification of injustice.

That's a damn drastic thing to say, i know: but i've expounded several times in recent months on why i have concluded that there is no way any ideology can be "the answer" to human ills. This is a thunderous insight that continues to reverberate throughout my brain and shake down wall after wall. It's a threatening idea to anyone who has a pet ideology, and i even sometimes find myself resisting it. But if there is anything that has been shown to be true by the witness of human experience, it is this.
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Saturday night, [livejournal.com profile] lady_babalon and i went to see Deepa Mehta's film Water. It's been consuming our conversations and emotions ever since, and two days later, i still can't stop thinking about it.

Before the opening credits, we see seven-year-old Chuyia being asked by her father if she remembers being married. She cannot. Her husband died, he tells her. She's now a widow, and is required to live a life of ascetic denial at an ashram for widows, who are considered to be only half-alive and essentially outcaste.

Mehta tried to make this film in India for five years. Several attempts to make the film were prevented by violent protests, arson, death threats, and political posturing.

The day before filming was due to begin, the crew was informed that there were a few complications with gaining location permits. The following day we were greeted with the news that 2,000 protesters had stormed the ghats, destroying the main film set, burning and throwing it into the holy river. Protesters burnt effigies of Deepa Mehta, and threats to her life began.

... "Breaking up the sets was far too mild an act, the people involved with the film should have been beaten black and blue. They come with foreign money to make a film which shows India in poor light because that is what sells in the west. The west refuses to acknowledge our achievements in any sphere, but is only interested in our snake charmers and child brides. And people like Deepa Mehta pander to them."

from The Politics of Deepa Mehta's Water


Opposition to this project was so severe that Mehta had to film in Sri Lanka under a phony title.

Mehta did not make a movie about how evil India is. Mehta is indeed very critical of Hindu fundamentalism, but in Mehta's analysis, the mistreatment of widows in India is not, at heart, about flaws we find only in Indian culture or religion. As she sees it, it is about economics and male privilege. Families use ancient beliefs about widows as an excuse to clear up some space in the family home and feed one less person. "Disguised as religion, it's just about money." Gender inequity is also blatantly obvious. Widows in India constitute a large pool of desperate, starving women (by my estimate, they make up 3-4% of the population) and many of them are prostituted. Their situation is so dire that men who rent their bodies can tell themselves they are doing these women a kindness.

She also portrays the solution to the problem as coming from within Indian thought and culture, symbolized by talk throughout the film about Mohandas Gandhi and his movement to reform the caste system. His words are quoted and tut-tutted by people along the chain of privilege who stand to lose their bit of benefit if widows are actually liberated.

(It also bears pointing out that, judging from the energy spent protesting feminism, talking about the mistreatment of women appears to be a bigger crime than, you know, actually mistreating women.)
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Does it take faith to disbelieve that breaking a mirror is bad luck? What about not believing that a black cat crossing your path is bad luck?

If not, how is this different from the same question applied to God?

If yes, what distinguishes a "valid" superstition like the ones listed above from "invalid" ones like the Flying Spaghetti Monster? What about supersititions from other cultures, like the belief that taking a picture steals your soul?

Is the difference that people in this culture were exposed since early childhood to believe in the superstitions listed above?
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A few weeks ago i finished reading Raising the Stones by Sheri S. Tepper. This novel examines an interesting question, first posed about halfway through: what would be the effect on religion if we had a God who actually worked?

She means of course outside of cosmology, because of course either God has created/is creating the whole universe, or not. The question concerns the direct and clear involvement of God in our individual lives.

I wonder what people point to as evidence, to them, that God has been involved in their lives?

In my case, there have been hints of a presence which i've felt in moments of stillness. But i don't know whether this presence is God, or my own self reflected back at me, some kind of cosmic mind, or an illusion created by my brain responding in its limited way to qualia it doesn't know how to handle otherwise.

But from a certain practical perspective, my conceptual interpretations don't matter. It doesn't matter if the presence is God, or my self, or the cosmos, or a neurochemical chimera, because i react to it the same way regardless. What matters is that i feel the presence there and it affects me, it calms me and makes me feel connected to something larger than myself.

More "direct" evidence of God, gods, deities, divinities, spirits, fairies, ancestors, poltergeists? There's been none in my experience. People's experiences vary widely in this regard, though, and it does not disturb nor hearten me to hear of more concrete sorts of experiences with the numinous.

So here's part of what i think happens. The following is, of course, just a theory. But tell me if it resonates with you.

I have come to suspect that people who latch very strongly onto dogma and doctrine and scripture do so because they don't otherwise have a strong link to the divine. That is, the only glimpse they've had of any sort of divine presence is the glimpse they get by way of doctrine and scripture. I can't say this for certain, but it is something that i have come to suspect in many cases.

(Of course there must be exceptions; frankly i find it puzzling that i ever have to say that a general statement has exceptions, but i daren't leave out that disclaimer!)

But what i have found is that people with a sense of connection to the divine seem to find a way to see eye-to-eye, even if they disagree about many of the particulars. It's like they can sense and acknowledge this connection in one another, and they grok that talk about doctrine or scripture is just that -- it is talk about concepts, and does not usually "cut deeply" to the connection each has with the divine.

Suppose God was a part of our lives just as plainly and clearly -- and doubtlessly -- as our friends or coworkers or classmates. Suppose God heard our requests and perceived our needs and acted on them. Then there wouldn't be room for doubt the way there is now.

In that case, sacrifices and rituals and other observances or obeisance would be nothing more than a kindness; it wouldn't be sacred in the way we think of it, because it would not be "set aside;" if we were following a request or a demand from God it would be the same as if we did so for a friend or supervisor.

Moreover, we wouldn't pour over scripture and engage in endless niggling debate about doctrinal details, because God would be right there to answer the question. Any debating we did would not seem like "theology" or "philosophy," it would be imminently practical.

Could the social edifice and prominence of religious institution survive? I do not think it could... in a recognizable form at least. A good chunk of religious practice is an unending attempt to stave off bad things from happening, under the assumption that bad things happen because gods get angry and punish us. If God was right there with us to give us clear input on what to do and what not to do, there would be no need to speculate on what God finds morally objectionable. If bad things happened, we would know whether or not it came from God.

People who perceive some sort of connection to the divine tend to take religious edifices, and people who piously rely on religion, less seriously than they should. I think this is part of why the piously religious are occasionally able to grab power, especially in societies where large segments of the population are psychologically damaged by cannibalistic oppression and are spiritually stunted.
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My post about the non-Flying-Spaghetti-Monster-Deity religion was a bit snarky, yes, i admit that.

But this is something i feel strongly about. Atheism is not a religion.

Disbelief in the existence of God is not simply the flip-side-of-a-coin from belief in God.

For one thing, faith is not belief. Faith is a way of being grounded. Faith is not mutable the way belief is. Faith does not depend on arguments and concepts and doctrine. Faith is an action that involves your mind and identity on a deep level. Belief, on the other hand, is agreeing with a statement.

Theists are theists not because of their beliefs, not because someone told them about God and they said, "Hey, that's a great idea, i think i will invest a great deal of my energy and identity in that." They are theists because they are deeply grounded in the closeness of divine presence.

Atheists are not grounded spiritually in the non-existence of God. You cannot ground yourself in a sense of absence. "Presence of absence" is not presence, it is still absence. Atheism is a fundamentally intellectual exercise.

Whether i like it or not, i have faith. This sometimes confuses me because i'm not sure what i believe or sometimes whether i believe anything at all. I veer between agnosticism and theism and atheism, but my sense of being grounded in the presence which i have felt is unwavering.

Edit. Another reason i feel strongly about this is because religion is an important part of a person's identity. If you've been a believer since birth, then your religion is part of your life and your history. If you're a convert, then your religion is something over which you labored and agonized. One does not belong accidentally to a religion, the way someone might accidentally put on a pair of pants that has a tear in the back. To claim that atheism is a religion is to claim that you know what is going on in atheists's minds better than *they* know.
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I am the High Supreme Poobah Popette Lama of the Church of Disbelief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and if you believe that the Flying Spaghetti Monster does not exist then you belong to my religion!

The Most-Assuredly-Not-A-Flying-Spaghetti-Monster-Deity hath spoken, yea, listen to his/her/its commandments:

1. Thou shalt not believe that the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists, nor that any Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe.

2. All adherents to the first commandment are forthwith required to tithe 10% of his or her income to the Church of Disbelief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I your non-pasta-divinity hath spoken.

I may have added a commandment or two of my own. But, er, anyways, welcome, all believers in this new religion!
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What is the difference between God and the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

Well, the Flying Spaghetti Monster was cooked up in someone's brain to make a point using satire.

But... wasn't the idea of God essentially cooked up in someone's brain too? The purpose was different -- the idea is a response to certain kinds of experience and certain kinds of need. It also happened a long time ago, so the idea has a lot of ivy on it that the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't have.

But, ultimately, it is a concept that came from someone's brain. Whether the idea was cooked there or whether it derives from revelation is an open question. The problem is, there have been so many various revelations differing widely in detail and shape that we are left having to make determinations of validity among them, which takes us down a maze of reliance upon certain alleged revelations because they "just seem true."

And to cap that off, whether or not there has ever been a real revelation from God, claims about God are too easily turned into someone's ticket to social relevance and power. The potential for abuse seems from time to time to outweigh any emotional benefit we derive from claims of divine revelation.

This question disturbs me, because i have positive emotional associations with the idea of God. I want to believe. I was trained to believe. If i don't believe in God, i feel an absence. The universe seems like a less comforting place.

In the past i have even argued that the existence of this "God-shaped hole" is positive evidence that there's a God to fill it. Because of what i know about the plasticity of the brain now i feel inclined to reject that argument as circuitous.
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...[A]mong those celebrating the prominence of these two Darwinians [Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett] on both sides of the Atlantic is an unexpected constituency - the American creationist/intelligent-design lobby. Huh? Dawkins, in particular, has become their top pin-up.

How so? William Dembski (one of the leading lights of the US intelligent-design lobby) put it like this in an email to Dawkins: "I know that you personally don't believe in God, but I want to thank you for being such a wonderful foil for theism and for intelligent design more generally. In fact, I regularly tell my colleagues that you and your work are one of God's greatest gifts to the intelligent-design movement. So please, keep at it!"

... Michael Ruse, a prominent Darwinian philosopher (and an agnostic) based in the US, with a string of books on the subject, is exasperated: "Dawkins and Dennett are really dangerous, both at a moral and a legal level." The nub of Ruse's argument is that Darwinism does not lead ineluctably to atheism, and to claim that it does (as Dawkins does) provides the intelligent-design lobby with a legal loophole: "If Darwinism equals atheism then it can't be taught in US schools because of the constitutional separation of church and state. It gives the creationists a legal case. Dawkins and Dennett are handing these people a major tool."

Why the intelligent design lobby thanks God for Richard Dawkins (Thanks to [livejournal.com profile] supergee for the link)


Say it with me, now: atheism is not a religion. There is no doctrine, no scripture, no church, no congregation, no priesthood, no tradition, no temple, no ritual, no prayerbook, no dietary restriction, no almsgiving, or any other religious trapping, associated with atheism.

Disbelief in God is not a religious belief. This assertion presumes that "belief in God" is normal and standard, such that disbelief thereof requires maintenance of faith and positive reinforcement. No, "God" is an assertion made by most religions, the burden of proof for which rests on those who promote religion. Not subscribing to someone else's assertion is not an act of faith.
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All statements about God are blasphemy (including this one).
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Grinchy remark sends kids home in tears (thanks to [livejournal.com profile] joffeman for the link)

Kids in tears after learning that Santa isn't real. Well, kids are going to find out somehow, you can't hide it forever: Santa Claus does not come down the chimney (most houses don't seem to have those these days anyways) and leave presents for good boys and girls. The only way in which Santa exists is in the fuzzy "liberal clausology" way: a spark of the disembodied invisible spirit of Santa lives in each of us.

Yet we construct this myth, encourage children to love Santa Claus, and defend the myth ruthlessly, knowing that it will end in eventual disappointment. Why?

I've known more than one person who's discovery of the truth about Santa Claus planted the seeds for a later religious crisis. Your parents construct an elaborate fiction, and claim to be doing it to "preserve your innocence."

Maybe therein lies the problem: the "innocence of childhood," which is a bubble of reality we attempt to construct in which the world is full of happy rainbows and love and where hamburgers grow on plants and chicken nuggets are happy to be eaten. (And it's worth bringing up commercialism as at least an aside here, because commercialism drives much of this nowadays: after all, our modern image of Santa was shaped in large part by a series of paintings commissioned by the Coca-Cola Company.)

Maybe we do this because we are ashamed of the mess we've made of the world which they are going to be left with. Or maybe the reason is more sinister: it's a tactic to marginalize children's voices and "other" them. What we hide about the way the world works from children makes them vulnerable and easier to victimize. Adults tend not to believe what children say because they are innocent (and whose fault is that?) We teach children about "stranger danger" but not about the dangers in their own home. And when we do learn about the brutal abuse some children have endured we (as a society) seem to mourn the absence of a bubble of imaginary innocence in her or his life more than the brutality itself: another way in which "the innocence of childhood" is used to silence children.

The nine year old in our house believes in Santa. He learned about Santa at school, from other children, and from advertising; it was not a fiction his mother encouraged. It puts us in a really awkward position. Sooner or later he's going to start asking about this Jesus guy too, what do we tell him then? As non-Christians we do not have the option of shielding him from opinions in society at large with which we disagree. Maybe we'll tell him a spark of the disembodied invisible spirit of Jesus lives in each of us, too, right next door to Santa Claus.
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This morning i had an idea for a new book project. It would actually be something of a companion to The Serpent's Wisdom, though would require several more years of research.

The working title would be something like As Above, So Below: The Politics of Mysticism, and the book would trace the role of economics, politics, and struggle against oppression in the formation of mystical practice and teaching. My rough idea is that in antiquity many mystical movements sprung up in response to the encroaching dehumanization of urban society, imperialism, and oppression; and that this commonality of experience can explain certain parallels between various movements. I want to examine the Jewish prophetic movement in this light, as well as the Cynics, the Essenes, the Gnostics, the Hermetists, the Kabbalists, the early Christians, and the early Buddhists, and probably others to be added as my research progresses.

To give an example of what i have in mind, i want to explore the notion that vegetarianism among the encratite Jewish/Christian sects may have been a form of protest against the monopoly on salted meat held by the Temple in Jerusalem. In the Tanakh we can read about several centuries of struggle between classes of priests, one of whom sought to establish in Jerusalem a nationwide monopoly on slaughtering sacrificial animals, and others who sought to establish temples in the countryside where sacrifice could be practiced -- these are called in the Tanakh ("Old Testament") the "high places." One king would tolerate the high places, the next would side with the Aaronide priests and abolish them.

(Along similar lines, there's some controversy over the work of a historian who claims that beef-eating and cow-sacrifice was widespread among the upper classes of ancient India. If this is the case -- i still have to examine the evidence -- then perhaps vegetarianism in India could be explained as a similar radical response. But this is even more speculative than the above.)

Another example of the interplay between mysticism and oppression which i've mentioned before is dystheism.

Yet another dimension is the competition, mentioned in the Tanakh, between the priests of Yahweh and the qedeshim, who were proponents of the cult of Asherah in the same region. This would be competition to establish what Pascal Boyer called a monopoly on religious services. Since the priests of Yahweh won, they were able to immortalize their version of the conflict in written history.

I want to also further explore a counter-notion that the development of religious doctrine and edifice is a cultural misappropriation of radical mysticism by the upper classes. Historically, radical movements are either successfully suppressed, or they grow widely enough that they begin to affect the shape of society. The privileged classes respond by adopting the imagery of the radical movement while sanitizing it of its socially-transformative elements -- thus creating a "religion" that deals only with "spiritual" matters.

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