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Okay, in the last month alone, this man has:


I can't unequivocally back him until he moves a little closer on GLBT rights and makes his position on domestic spying more clear, but he's starting to look like a real candidate here. Democratic straw polls are beginning to reflect this.  He is also the only governor running on the Democratic side, which is a big deal.  He's more clearly qualified on foreign policy than anyone else running, having been US Ambassador to the UN.  And, he announced his candidacy on Jon Stewart's program, how cool is that?

Date: 2007-04-12 02:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophiaserpentia.livejournal.com
It depends on what you think freedom is freedom from. On one level, it's important to establish our nation as a culture where people are free from thugs and bullies. Accountability is a crucial part of that.

With regards to freedom of speech, one could argue that verbal bullies like Imus, et al., are threats to that freedom as well. If we have a national climate where disadvantaged people do not feel safe enough to speak up, because they are being bullied on all sides, then we are sacrificing their speech. We only have freedom of speech if everyone feels free to speak. An episode like this gives us an opportunity to ponder what discourse should look like.

lenny?

Date: 2007-04-12 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seraphimsigrist.livejournal.com
yeah. it's tough. freedom of speech does
not include freedom to shout fire in a
crowded theatre.
my thing is how is he different except in
being less funny by a world, from lenny
bruce? he is I think legitimately an
outsider and he uses street/outsider
talk within the general culture and people
find it funny that someone can talk like
that in public. and thats what he does.
Its what Lenny did.
I dunno. I guess I tend to the underdog
too psychologically if thats the word so
now he's down maybe feel it differently
from when he is preempting the morning
hour from the sports talk I like...
but thats my question, will it make another
lenny bruce less possible etc..
the etc because the question trails off in
several directions probably
I have no way to tie up loose ends just thinking
aloud with you.
+Seraphim

Lenny?

Date: 2007-04-12 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seraphimsigrist.livejournal.com
yeah. it's tough. freedom of speech does
not include freedom to shout fire in a
crowded theatre.
my thing is how is he different except in
being less funny by a world, from lenny
bruce? he is I think legitimately an
outsider and he uses street/outsider
talk within the general culture and people
find it funny that someone can talk like
that in public. and thats what he does.
Its what Lenny did.
I dunno. I guess I tend to the underdog
too psychologically if thats the word so
now he's down maybe feel it differently
from when he is preempting the morning
hour from the sports talk I like...
but thats my question, will it make another
lenny bruce less possible etc..
the etc because the question trails off in
several directions probably
I have no way to tie up loose ends just thinking
aloud with you.
+Seraphim

Re: Lenny?

Date: 2007-04-12 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophiaserpentia.livejournal.com
I think we (as a society) will always make room for Lenny Bruce. It's a matter of finding balance between freedom of speech and freedom from meanness. It's not so much the vulgarity that people object to in shock jocks, its their meanness. There are far more vulgar acts around which appear to be in little danger of being cancelled or censored (South Park, for example).

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