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The more I read of The Meme Machine, the more convinced I am in my conclusion that Gnostic myths about the Archons reflect an early understanding of memetics, and that mysticism is a practice aimed at undermining the control of memes and culture over the individual.

More later...

Date: 2004-07-20 04:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophiaserpentia.livejournal.com
Generally speaking, walking the mystical path puts you at odds with most of the ways of society. Notably, it often means refusing to play money and power games, but it also often means making certain kinds of relationship choices as well.

Being embroiled "in the world" is the original meaning of karma. Being "free of your karma" then means being free of worldly obligations, which is what the Hindu mystics consider a desirable state.

Mystics have mostly just wanted to be left alone, but most religious authorities in most times and places have tended to mistrust them, largely because they see through most of the games religion plays with our minds and hearts.

As for "meme," I refer you to this entry:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/sophiaserpentia/417548.html

Date: 2004-07-21 05:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lady-dindraine.livejournal.com
Thank you for your reply.

I think we are agreeing~
I think as well, one of the inner struggles of the Mystic is understanding, that seperation. Ego, self, whichever we want to call it, becomes invovled, when realy its not the mystics place. Where the mystic wants to be. No-a-days people can't necessarilly lock themselves in a monastery.

The hard thing is pulling away, refuting those societal involvements, games. Giving up that ego trip. And truly just letting ourselves flow.

As well, for Mystics, we have that form of submition. What attracted me to them to begin with. Submitting to some "being" or process...
Many a "dark night" has been spent fighting the submittion. Why is that so damn hard?

Peace and light~
Thank You!!

Date: 2004-07-21 06:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lady-dindraine.livejournal.com
If I may as well?

Now please don't misunderstand me, I am not a "Mystic." I don't want to be.

But for myself, I have been looking back on my life, and pinpointing the patterns that exist. Either societal patterns, or tribal patterns. My own familial patterns. And what they mean? Why does it seem I go through very similar difficult times. Why does it seem I like to "delete" myself. You have witnessed this. Here and gone, gone and here.

I am always hitting these points where I must sperate. Even from myself? Does that make sense. In order to carry on. I "can't" won't, embroil myself in all the games. Is this just some childish temper tantrum, or is there some deeper meaning? How do I explain that to people. How can I find that middle ground? Moving in this world, without all of the negative, or societal attachments.

I have been in this Dom sub relationship, and at times even that begins to fade. "Play" is fun. But~~

I hope this makes sense~~

Thank you!!

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