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The Free State Project is a movement that is gathering the promises of 20,000 libertarians, to move to New Hampshire once enough people have been assembled.

The idea is that 20,000 libertarians converging on New Hampshire would create a large enough contingent to be able to affect the laws of the state.

Suppose... suppose a large number of gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgendered, intersex, pagan, and poly people all moved to the same state, until a saturation point was reached. At that point we woul be a large enough community to affect state policy, or were even a majority. A place where we knew that, no matter what, we were welcome and accepted, where we could live as we wish without fear of reprisal and bigotry.

By estimate, we make up 5-10% of the population. Heck, we could take over several states.
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Date: 2004-04-23 11:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophiaserpentia.livejournal.com
You should know me well enough by now to know that I would *never* employ sexual double-entendre. Well, okay, maybe I would actually. ;) ;)

Re: Santa Fe already IS a "gay mecca."

Date: 2004-04-23 11:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophiaserpentia.livejournal.com
Oh. You're right, it was Santa Fe, and not San Francisco that he wrote. Oops. Oh well.

Hmm. New Mexico? I don't know enough about it. I know that in most of the West, there is a strong "live and let live" ethic. We could put it in the hat.

Date: 2004-04-23 11:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] novasoy.livejournal.com
I say go for it. I want a liberal state too. Or maybe we breeder liberals can hang out with you folks. I'm sure the club scene will be better there than in Kentucky. We'll be nice, tolerant, AND we'll bring HUMMUS!

Date: 2004-04-23 11:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophiaserpentia.livejournal.com
We'll be nice, tolerant, AND we'll bring HUMMUS!

You've got a date. :)

Re: But where?

Date: 2004-04-23 11:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophiaserpentia.livejournal.com
Oh, you *would* go and bring up the practicalities. ::snicker::

A sizable number of jobs might come with us, actually, as there are companies with GLBT-friendly policies that may decide to move their operations out of states that do things like what Virginia has done.

The states you mention seem like good candidates.

On the unrelated note, you have email.

Date: 2004-04-23 11:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophiaserpentia.livejournal.com
Maybe you can tell me what libertarians would recommend for disabled people who cannot work. A large part of the reason I can't be libertarian, is that it seems to be in denial of the idea that problems are best solved when we see them as problems affecting all of us.

God bless the "breeder liberals"

Date: 2004-04-23 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] publius-aelius.livejournal.com
"Breeder liberals" are the best people in the world: the kindest, bravest, most generous-spirited--the ones who've faced down ALL their insecurities and overcome them sufficiently to love people who are different than they. Any "queer" person who abuses their trust and devotion is setting every single one of us back by eons (spiritually speaking). The boy I love best in the world is a "breeder liberal" whose trust and confidence in me are things I'd be willing to DIE for, TOMORROW.

Date: 2004-04-23 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azaz-al.livejournal.com
Someone ELSE from your friends list added me after I've gone off and been an asshole all over your journal again.
This is getting to be a habit :))

Re: God bless the "breeder liberals"

Date: 2004-04-23 11:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azaz-al.livejournal.com
I keep getting the urge to ask you if I can add you to my frineds list and then deciding I really shouldn't because it will just turn into a SITUATION.
Hmmm...

Re: God bless the "breeder liberals"

Date: 2004-04-23 11:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] publius-aelius.livejournal.com
Go ahead and add me. I doubt it'll turn into a "situation," because, when you read my journal, you'll see that there are a lot of people on my list who disagree with me about certain things, but to whom I manage to remain polite.

Date: 2004-04-23 12:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] herbalgrrl.livejournal.com
I believe that place is called Utah :p

Date: 2004-04-23 12:18 pm (UTC)

Date: 2004-04-23 12:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophiaserpentia.livejournal.com
You must be living right. ;-D

Date: 2004-04-23 12:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophiaserpentia.livejournal.com
I believe in communities of people supporting one another.

How do you get them to do that?

In the past, disabled people had only family, charity, and church to rely upon for their care. It was often substandard. The medical costs of caring for many kinds of disability are enough to destroy a family financially -- it is too much of a burden.

It was only when the federal government decided to impose standards of care, and require businesses to be accessible, and to make reasonable accomodation on the job, and so forth, that disabled people have had any hope of being seen as something other than a burden and an untouchable class.

The solution you suggest, I'm sad to say, won't cut it, not by far.

Date: 2004-04-23 12:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azaz-al.livejournal.com
Even when I'm being an asshole all over your journal?

Date: 2004-04-23 12:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] akaiyume.livejournal.com
I am right there with your wife. I think the answer is a multi-pronged attack. Gather enough people to take over New Hampshire and Hawaii!

Date: 2004-04-23 12:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophiaserpentia.livejournal.com
Your honesty and straightforwardness is refreshing. I'm sure you've heard that before. There is no doubt where you stand on things.

Date: 2004-04-23 01:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azaz-al.livejournal.com
:))
And you put such a positive spin on it!

Date: 2004-04-23 01:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] akaiyume.livejournal.com
can we please take over Hawaii. Really as long as people don't mind eating lots of fish, and the weather is nice enough, and...

Date: 2004-04-23 01:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophiaserpentia.livejournal.com
Hmm. That goes in the hat. :-D

Date: 2004-04-23 01:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] akaiyume.livejournal.com
and culturally speaking we have much more in common with the natives than the conservative usurpers. Already less Christians to worry about. Certain plants that certain friends of ours like grow really well there.

(if I come up with more good reasons can it go in the hat multiple times?)

Date: 2004-04-23 02:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] legolastn.livejournal.com
I agree. Vermont is too cold. I'd even settle for Arizona or New Mexico.

Date: 2004-04-23 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liminalia.livejournal.com
"as long as people don't mind eating lots of fish"
You forgot to mention the SPAM, though.

Re: God bless the "breeder liberals"

Date: 2004-04-23 02:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adroanzi.livejournal.com
psst, what are 'breeder liberals'? Liberals with kids?

Re: God bless the "breeder liberals"

Date: 2004-04-23 02:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liminalia.livejournal.com
Breeder is a term of dubious politeness used by gays to refer to straights in general, kids or no kids.

I personally have a violent dislike for it. I think it'll probably go out of style what with the gay baby boom.
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