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About 100 men and women gathered outside Atlanta's Roman Catholic cathedral Thursday to protest the archbishop's exclusion of women from the Holy Thursday foot-washing ritual.

Contrary to the order from Archbishop John Donoghue, the protesters said the rite should include everyone. Donoghue did not address the protest during Mass Thursday night. He and his staff have refused to comment on the issue.

... In a letter last month to Atlanta priests, Donoghue said they should select 12 men from each parish to represent the apostles who had their feet washed by Jesus at the Last Supper.

from Faithful Decry Foot-Washing Ban of Women


It takes a special closed-ness of mind, and a special hatred of flesh, to think that the "fact" (disputed by some scholars and some non-canonical accounts) that Jesus' disciples were male sets a precedent that only people with penises deserve to participate in the remembrance of this event.

Jesus' message here was about humility, service, and compassion -- and this archbishop (and many before him) has turned it into something exclusionary.

Any mindset that reads the gospels and sees "people with penises" vs. "people without penises" instead of, just, people, is one that dehumanizes and closes the doors of the heart and soul.

Edit. It's difficult not to contrast the foot-washing scene in John, wherein Jesus washes the disciples' feet, with the foot-washing scene in Luke, where a woman (tradition says Mary Magdalene) washes Jesus' feet. If you restrict the remembrance of the scene in John to only male recipients, you are sending the subliminal message, intentionally or not, that it is fine for priests, who follow in the tradition of Jesus, to be served *by* women, but not to give service *to* women.
From: [identity profile] publius-aelius.livejournal.com
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It is not about men and women, it is not about the 12 men. It puts our priesthood in context. It defines their relation, in imitating the actions of Christ, they proclaim their servanthood.

I agree that the sacerdotal role is one of "servanthood." And I even agree that it may be best that it be reserved for men, to honor the gender of Christ. Even if we do know that Gospels were tampered with by an ecclesiastical polity early in the Church's history, bent on giving the upper hand in the Church to Gentile, generally celibate males, denying the key roles of women in the circles around Christ, I would say that it is still best for men to sacramentally enact the stages and passages of Christ's redemptive life. And this is what things like consecrating the Eucharist and washing feet, etc., are all about. No one would make an issue of such things if POWER (which exists, unfortunately) were shared in a way that reflected the equality, before God, of men and women. It is very easy for [livejournal.com profile] badsede to jump in here, and speak of this "washing issue" as somehow impertinent on the part of the protestors. He's right; the poor souls are "bad-mannered"--sort of like screaming lepers or Samaritans. But let him answer THIS question: The office of cardinal-elector of the Pope is not a sacerdotal one; it is one purely of the ecclesiastical polity; boy-princes and laymen have occupied the position and fulfilled its responsibilities. As a Jesuit cardinal is reputed to have bluntly demanded of the reigning Pope (to be responded with by nothing but spluttering fury): WHAT IS THE THEOLOGICAL IMPEDIMENT TO A WOMAN HOLDING THIS POSITION IN THE HIERARCHY? WHY MAY NOT WOMEN BE PERMITTED TO HELP CHOOSE THE POPE, SO LONG AS THEY DON'T CHOOSE ONE ANOTHER? I know of no question that has more explicitly bared the anti-feminist bias among the ecclesiastical careerists who've highjacked our Churh in recent years, and steered her back to the fear and reaction of "Syllabus of Error" days and against the course of Vatican II. They will not give women an equal place at the table, which DOES NOT mean usurping Christ's sacramental position, just putting her right back at Jesus's side--the canonical Gospels to the contrary notwithstanding. What they are doing is destroying the saving role in the world of my Church, making her a mockery and a redundancy, and now they have her all to themselves, after they've invited us "liberals" to leave, and so many have.
From: [identity profile] sophiaserpentia.livejournal.com
And I even agree that it may be best that it be reserved for men, to honor the gender of Christ.

Do you believe that it would be a dishonor (or less of an honor) for a woman to "to sacramentally enact the stages and passages of Christ's redemptive life"? I simply don't understand what being male or female in itself has to do with redemption.

I'm willing to admit that being born into one gender or another tends to give one certain aptitudes and certain, um, "dis-aptitudes," but it has been noted that we can often observe more variance between members of one gender than we find between the averages of male and female. That is, the "bell curves" overlap so much that aptitudes vary more on a purely human scale than they do by gender.

So, to conclude that men are better suited to handle the sacraments, simply because Jesus was a man, seems to imply that there is some "essence" possessed by males that females either lack or are deficient in.

Let me take a second tack on this. Paul noted that "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven." While this may or may not reflect a certain dualistic disdain for flesh, I find Paul's words to be incompatible with the suggestion that gender makes any difference with regard to sacrament, redemption, or grace.
From: [identity profile] publius-aelius.livejournal.com
Briefly, I myself actually don't, but I've heard the argument made that some want to reserve it to a male out of love and honour for Jesus's person, which, as a compromiser, generally (which [livejournal.com profile] badsede, [livejournal.com profile] ariston, et. al. would NEVER concede), I'd like to honour, as the sentiment of others who make such a big issue of this "theology of the body" (which I wholly buy into, until it starts leaving out androgynous or "queer" bodies--which I like to think Jesus didn't at all, when he was talking about "born eunuchs." So, no, Miss Serpentia: just as a "mercy" to the "conservatives." But I'd just as soon the ladies' feet get washed, too, myself.

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