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Mel Gibson said in September, of his rendition of Jesus, "I wanted to mess up one of his eyes, destroy it."

So, what other one-eyed, spear-pierced deity hanged from a tree for the betterment of humankind comes to mind? :-O

Anselm, who changed Christianity forever by promoting the Christology of substitution atonement, was an 11th Century Archbishop of Canterbury. That he might have been influenced by Anglo-Saxon myths about Wodan is not far-fetched. The theory was first taken up after him by others (Abelard and Bernard) who also hail from northern Europe.

Human sacrifice appears to have been a widespread practice in northern Europe. Even if it was despised by northern-European theologians, they would have considered it thinkable that a human being would have to die to appease God.

This idea does not seem to have really entered Christianity prior to the northern influence. As noted in the essay I linked to, it was hinted at by thinkers like Origen who thought that perhaps Jesus was an atonement ransom to Satan (not God) based on the passage in Matthew about having to pay the jailor before one can be freed. This has Gnostic overtones; for example, in the Cosmic Ascension described in the Gnostic literature, due has to be paid to each ruling archon in the form of tokens before one can proceed to the next aionic sphere.

The net effect of the vicarious atonement doctrine is dehumanization; the separation from God is described as a fundamental nature of human existence, a deep chasm that separates the "sinner" from God and which can only be bridged by God. Nothing the human can do is sufficient. The net effect of this is not love but fear. "Oh, I am not worthy! What if my belief fails me, I will be destroyed!"

Writings to Jewish Christians dealing with "the blood of Jesus" appear to be theological legalism intended to end Jewish reliance on blood sacrifice in the Temple. They argue, for example, that Jesus' one-time sacrifice was superior to the yearly sacrifices that had to be conducted; that Jesus entered not a 'copy' of God's presence (an insult to the asserted holiness of the Temple in Jerusalem) but entered heaven itself. Jesus, as a priest in the order of Melchizedek (who preceeded Aaron!) conducted a sacrifice of himself in the "heavenly temple." This was not done for atonement of sin but in consecration of the heavenly temple (the cosmos), in consecration of the new, superior covenant. Not, in other words, as ransom, but instead to imbue the "heavenly temple" and the new covenant with the substance of life.

[Hebrews 9:19] When Moses had proclaimed every commandment of the law to all the people, he took the blood of calves, together with water, scarlet wool and branches of hyssop, and sprinkled the scroll and all the people.
[20] He said, "This is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep."
[21] In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tabernacle and everything used in its ceremonies.
[22] In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
[23] It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
[24] For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence.
[25] Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own.
[26] Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.
[27] Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,
[28] so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

crossposting to my journal and crossposting to [livejournal.com profile] challenging_god

Date: 2004-03-09 10:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azaz-al.livejournal.com
My answer to the Nicene Creed

I completely reject any belief in an omniscient, omnipowerful, anthropomorphized being.
I completely reject the idea that all spirituality and life giving powers must come from a deity who is commonly characterized by outdated forms of inherited male governemntal authority and supreme warlike powers. Spirituality is an inherent quality of all intelligent beings.
I completely reject the belief that I or anyone else was born in a state of sin and therefore need salvation through the crucifixion and suffering of another human being, no matter who they are. People are not born evil or good, they are simply born as people. Their willed actions in life determine any good or evil qualities they may develop.
I completely reject the belief that a heavenly being will someday appear to judge the living and the dead, and found an endless kingdom. This apocalyptic thinking only serves to cripple the human will, cause utter disregard for the environment upon which we all depend for our very lives and the lives of our children, and encourages fatalism and apathy to the long term generational consequences of our actions.
I completely reject the idea that there is only one true universal church or religion outside of which all humanity is damned. There are many paths by which people attain enlightenment, happiness, peace and truth, and so long as the path one is on encourages that which allows people to live in harmony, it is equally valid as any others which encourage the same.

Date: 2004-03-09 10:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophiaserpentia.livejournal.com
::grins:: This is why I love you. (Well, one reason why, anyway.)

I agree completely, too, by the way.

Date: 2004-03-09 10:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azaz-al.livejournal.com
Oh, I thought it was the good looks! LOL

Date: 2004-03-09 10:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophiaserpentia.livejournal.com
Then there's that... ;-D

Date: 2004-03-09 03:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beowulf1723.livejournal.com
This is a real gem. Thanks for writing it.

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