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[sophiaserpentia]

The past few days my thoughts have been on the matter of ethical relativism. This is the idea that ethics are partially or entirely "subjective," or variable from one person to the next.

I am not an ethical relativist. That is to say, I believe that no matter what approach and logic we start with, we should end up with a fairly consistent core set of ethical principles. The details may vary from one system to the next, but I think that most people, and most ethical approaches, would recommend a fairly consistent set of actions for given types of situations.

I am also, on balance, a consequentialist. This approach suggests that ethics are "situational," IOW that there are no ethical absolutes, but rather sets of principles that have to be weighed for each situation. Consequentialism is on the whole a pragmatic approach, which makes me fret a bit, because I don't feel that ends always justify means. But this is all stuff that I'm sorting out at present, and lucky you, you get to see my thoughts and perhaps play a role in helping them formulate.

Now, consider this excerpt, which is quoted on this page on ethical relativism:

We might suppose that in the matter of taking life all peoples would agree on condemnation. On the contrary, in the matter of homicide, it may be held that one kills by custom his two children, or that a husband has a right of life and death over his wife or that it is the duty of the child to kill his parents before they are old. It may be the case that those are killed who steal fowl, or who cut their upper teeth first, or who are born on Wednesday. Among some peoples, a person suffers torment at having caused an accidental death; among others, it is a matter of no consequence. Suicide may also be a light matter, the recourse of anyone who has suffered some slight rebuff, an act that constantly occurs in a tribe. It may be the highest and noblest act a wise man can perform. The very tale of it, on the other hand, may be a matter for incredulous mirth, and the act itself, impossible to conceive as human possibility. Or it may be a crime punishable by law, or regarded as a sin against the gods. (Ruth Benedict, Patterns of Culture, pp. 45-46)

I'm not sure from the context whether or not Benedict's examples given above are actually to be found, or are simply illustrative. But in either case my thought is that societies where homicide has been more acceptable (probably considered akin to euthanasia) are not the ones which have succeeded; is this a coincidence, or could it be the case that in the long run or on the average, societies with a more "sound" set of ethics tend to prevail? I know I'm getting into shaky territory there, but I am not convinced for example that military might has always prevailed.

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Define "succeeded" for me?

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But in either case my thought is that societies where homicide has been more acceptable (probably considered akin to euthanasia) are not the ones which have succeeded; is this a coincidence, or could it be the case that in the long run or on the average, societies with a more "sound" set of ethics tend to prevail?

China is one of the (if not THE) oldest societies with a fairly continuous set of laws (or ethics, or standards, or mores, if you prefer) on the globe. They're not the richest country on earth, but they are one of the most populous and longest lasting. And it's only been recently (in millennial terms) that the upper class stopped having de jure power of life and death over the lower classes. In fact, they may still have that de facto power; I'm not familiar enough with the culture to know. And I know I'm simplifying things quite a bit, but I think that's appropriate for this forum.

In what sense would you say that that culture is not successful? And China is only one example; there are quite a few others, most in the Far East.

Re: Define "succeeded" for me?

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I would consider stability, longevity, and so forth to measure success. I'm not interested so much in things like "military dominance" or "corporate dominance" as those things are empires which will inevitably fall.

I suppose it is no coincidence that ethical and philosophical systems like those which developed in China or India have tended to have quite a bit of influence on me.