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sophiaserpentia ([personal profile] sophiaserpentia) wrote2007-02-13 02:47 pm

misogyny, then and now

Amanda Marcotte of Pandagon, feminist blogger, has chosen to resign from the presidential campaign of John Edwards after being embattled (by certain right-wing zealots) for several weeks. The final straw, in the eyes of the Catholic League's head, Bill Donohue, was this comment in her review of the movie Children of Men:

The Christian version of the virgin birth is generally interpreted as super-patriarchal, where god is viewed as so powerful he can impregnate without befouling himself by touching a woman, and women are nothing but vessels.

This apparently qualifies as a "vulgar" and "intolerant" anti-Christian comment. To say that critique is intolerant shows an utter misunderstanding of the concept of intolerance, which seems, from the perspective of people like Bill Donohue, to mean, "any act or utterance which offends our oh-so-delicate sensibilities."

The right has tirelessly labored to misappropriate the idea of intolerance, so that people think it refers not to efforts to counter structural power imbalance in our society, but to improve the niceness of language. By focusing on language they hope to take the focus off of actual oppression.

There is absolutely no measure whatsoever by which Christians are oppressed in this country. Keep that in mind. Christians run this country; they utterly dominate the public discourse, the cultural institutions, the laws, the mores, the standards of decency. Isolated instances of anti-Christian discrimination (which do occur) do not constitute institutional or state-sponsored oppression, exploitation, or disenfranchisement of Christians.

So, in order to accomplish the seemingly impossible task of misappropriating the idea of intolerance, they have to make people think that saying mean things (or things you claim are mean) in your blog is the equivalent of a pogrom, or a gay-bashing, or a clinic-bombing.  It is insulting to anyone who is working to end real intolerance in the face of violence and numerous other obstacles.

All that said, i also happen to think Amanda is absolutely right about the Christian idea of the virgin birth.

The gospels' authors must have felt some pressure to distance themselves from Pagans, who depicted divine impregnation of mortal women in a sexual way. In fact, Mary herself had to have been immaculately conceived, so that she would not bear the stain of Adam's sin -- because, apparently, sex itself befouls and stains your soul.

Amanda's comment about women only being a vessel applies too, because this was a widely-held belief about pregnancy in the ancient world: women were only a vessel through which men brought children into existence. This desire to cut women out of the picture is the very essence of misogyny. This view is most obvious in the account of the Gospel of John, whose author claimed that Jesus existed long before Mary did, making Mary's womb nothing more than a tunnel through which he passed into this world.

[identity profile] dorothy-g.livejournal.com 2007-02-14 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
Slightly OT, but one wonders if they even know what a Communist mankilling lesbian witch looks like. Or even a lesbian witch. Little did they know that for years I was in their church playing the piano on Sunday mornings wondering why I was still there living the lie. (yes, I finally came to my senses). If they knew I was *gasp* one of "those people" how quickly would they have ousted me from Sunday morning duties, and convened the elders to save my soul from this evil choice I made.

*sigh*


Back to the virgin birth, if these christian zealots would stop for a moment and study their own scholars' historical accounts, they would know that women are nothing but vessels for man's seed to grow in.

Oh wait. If they admitted that, they'd have to admit that all along they have wanted women to remain servile, and remember their place as their husband's property.

[identity profile] brontosproximo.livejournal.com 2007-02-14 03:45 pm (UTC)(link)
one wonders if they even know what a Communist mankilling lesbian witch looks like.

Oh that's easy.

She's the woman with a pair of hedge trimmers wearing Birkenstocks in the picket line who weighs the same as a duck.

[identity profile] x-bluerose-x.livejournal.com 2007-02-14 03:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I gotta get me a pair of Birkenstocks!

[identity profile] brontosproximo.livejournal.com 2007-02-14 04:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I am unsurprised that you already have a pair of hedge trimmers.

[identity profile] x-bluerose-x.livejournal.com 2007-02-14 04:20 pm (UTC)(link)
You've seen my...hedges!

[identity profile] brontosproximo.livejournal.com 2007-02-14 04:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, that's why I know that you weigh as much as a duck.

roflmao

[identity profile] dorothy-g.livejournal.com 2007-02-14 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I weigh more than a duck, but hedge trimmers are ok (power tools are better!) and I own more pairs of Birki's than I should probly admit.

Re: roflmao

[identity profile] brontosproximo.livejournal.com 2007-02-15 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I weigh more than a duck

*giggles*

I'll take your word for it as you're probably not interested in the method I use to estimate weight.