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Somehow I get the feeling that most of the people participating in "Draw Mohammad Day" would be outraged to the point of demanding a boycott or retribution if a hundred thousand Muslims (or people of Muslim cultural heritage) participated in a "Blaspheme Against the Holy Spirit Day" or a "Hang a Cross Upside-Down Day" or the like.

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Not me :P

I know not you. ;-p

I'm not participating in it myself, but I have no love of sacred cows or doctrine, so, *shrug*. It's just I see a lot of this "they can dish it but can't take it" syndrome.

There was a a blaspheme against the holy spirit day.

Was there? I missed it. *runs to Google*

Was this a large online event organized by Muslims?

Also as far as I know, no Christian Leader has issued a death threat against anyone making art critical of christianity(unlike say Rushdi or Ali)

It was organized by atheists.

I wasn't aware draw mohamed day was organized by christians...source?

As far as I can tell it is not an event sponsored by a particular organization -- but I think it's fairly safe to assume that most of the people participating are either Christian or grew up in a Christian culture.

I will amend my post so that my wording is more precise.

Oh. Well, they block our access to the political process, question our patriotism and want to take our citizenship for being atheist already, so I suppose openly blaspheming the Holy Spirit en masse could hardly make things worse.

I've been racking my brains to work out what kind of day would rile atheist supports of "Draw Mohammed Day" (of whom there seem to be quite a few). The best I could come up with was "tap an atheist on the shoulder and point out that the axioms on which they base their morality are no more logical than religious axioms day", which is a bit feeble and not exactly catchy.

Of course. It's only fun killing *other* people's sacred cows.

"Point out Logical or Factual Errors in the Theory of Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection Day?" *shrug*

Theoretically there wouldn't be one, since the scientific method and worldview is philosophically compatible with any kind of doctrine, and the whole idea behind "Draw Mohammed Day" is to protest doctrinaire inflexibility (and the idea of issuing death threats to people who offend your doctrine).

But that's not to say that there aren't concepts which each generation of atheists treat as if they were doctrine. Even still, it wouldn't have the same impact because there is no atheist equivalent to the fatwa or catechism which theists could poke at.

Sorry -- that should be "philosophically INcompatible".

Not recently, anyway.

Hmm. All the people I've seen participating are the kind of shouty atheists who would be just as keen on anti-Christian blasphemy. Is that not typical?

You have THAT perfectly...

I see a variety of folks doing it.

It's a bit tacky, IMO, but I don't object to the idea of making a statement about the whole death threats thing. The best comment I've seen on the matter came from the Daily Show's Aasif Mandvi. He was like, "Well, to be honest as a Muslim it makes me a little uncomfortable, yeah. But death threats over it are a bit 12th century, don't you think?"

I think, though, that even some atheists who grew up in Christian culture would be stung or even offended by a large number of Muslims (or people in a secular Muslim culture) participating in a similarly Christianity-blaspheming event. I think this, because I have to admit that even though I am an atheist I suspect it would sting me. And this, coming from someone who in my time has made a lot of angry comments about Christianity.

I've been trying to figure out how one blasphemes against the Holy Spirit as opposed to blaspheming in general, and I cannot figure it out. Is there a special form to use?

I think you can accomplish this by defiling the communion host, although I can't confirm this.

Do I get a pass or a frowny face when I admit that I wouldn't mind participating in any/all of those but honestly don't have the energy or interest?

Naw, the communion host is the body and blood of Jesus.

The holy spirit is sorta like the immanence of the godhead.

‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ is pretty much the only thing said that is on par with the badness of blaspheming against the holy spirit.

A blaspheme against the holy spirit day would be all too redundant.

I remember reading (in the Economist I think) around the time of the Danish controversy that it is very very common in Muslim countries to see anti-Semitic representations in comic strips. Strangely neither Muslims nor Jews seem to riot in outrage over this. Maybe the media just doesn't cover it.

I am all for treating Muslims like any other group in the modern world. You know, same rights and stuff. The idea of a group deciding how they should be respected is much more difficult. If a (whatever) group understood modern sensibilities they would be angry if they hadn't been parodied in South Park yet.

I think I would have preferred a blasphemy every religion including atheism in one image day. That might have produced some really creative images.

Uh huh.

No, they save the death threats for the queers and our friends.

Sacred cows should be used for burnt offerings.

Then I can has cheese-burger1

Some, but I think many of them would point out that they complain about the (perceived) bigotry and childishness when people blaspheme their religion, but they don't try to kill them, or encourage others to do so. Indeed, I know a number of people for whom that is the key issue, we all have things we believe in belittled by others in this Internet age. Civilized people recognize disagreement, and respect the rights of others to have their own opinions, even when we think they are wrong.

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