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sophiaserpentia ([personal profile] sophiaserpentia) wrote2004-08-18 11:46 am

A Proposal For Consideration.

1. The idea that God is fundamentally and eternally superior to and separate from humankind, will inherently and inevitably lend support to the concept of fundamental superiorities within humankind, particularly those along the lines of gender, race, and economic status.

2. Furthermore, this idea will inherently and inevitably lend rhetorical justification for the use of violence as an acceptable means of promoting an agenda labeled as "holy."

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[identity profile] sophiaserpentia.livejournal.com 2004-08-18 11:43 am (UTC)(link)
Yep. There are two ways of opposing the idea that God and humanity are fundamentally separate. The first is to say say that they are not fundamentally separate; the second is to say that there is no God.
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[identity profile] sophiaserpentia.livejournal.com 2004-08-19 07:04 am (UTC)(link)
What of the idea that God and humanity are presently separate, but not eternally and perhaps not even fundamentally?

I would assess this by evaluating the proposed reconciliation. Either the individual human plays an essential role in the reconciliation, or she does not.

The first case works out the same as saying that any "separation" is only misperception of the reality that no such separation really exists.

The second case works out the same as the original problematic assertion -- if God and only God is capable of "lifting up" a human, then there is still a fundamental rift and God is unquestionably superior.

[identity profile] acheron-hades.livejournal.com 2005-08-16 03:46 pm (UTC)(link)
(Excuse me following up to a pretty old comment..)

Interesting cosmological interpretation of this: the evolution of the universe is teleologically driven, and will eventually complete when the whole thing forms an extremely complicated single object at the end of time. The trajectory of all particles are actually determined by that end state (perhaps think of it as a backwards explosion), so the end state is "God." Further, if there's a holographic nature to the universe, then it might be possible for individuals to form very low-resolution but complete "images" of the final state well before the end, in which case they will also have "experienced God."

That's a quick and dirty summary of Alan Carter's take (http://www.reciprocality.org/thirdage/) on the whole issue; he also reckons the demiurge / Worker is actually abstract, deductive reasoning, which so often in our current Fallen state tends to override more pragmatic inductive reasoning ("wisdom")..