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sophiaserpentia ([personal profile] sophiaserpentia) wrote2005-05-09 10:54 am

the domestication of the primate

Why did farming spread at all? The answer might seem to be obvious -- for example, that farming makes life easier or happier, or that it provides a genetic advantage to the people who practice it.

In fact, it seems that farming did not make life easier, nor did it improve nutrition, or reduce disease. The British science writer Colin Tudge (1995) describes farming as 'the end of Eden'. Rather than being easier, the life of early farmers was utter misery. Early Egyptian skeletons tell a story of a terrible life. Their toes and backs are deformed by the way people had to grind corn to make bread; they show signs of rickets and of terrible abscesses in their jaws. Probably few lived beyond the age of thirty. Stories in the Old Testament describe the arduous work of farmers and, after all, Adam was thrown out of Eden and told, 'In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread.' By contrast modern hunter-gatherers have been estimated to spend only about fifteen hours a week hunting and have plenty of time for leisure. This is despite the fact that they have been pushed into marginal environments far poorer than those in which our ancient ancestors probably lived. Why would people the world over have given up an easier life in favor of a life of toil and drudgery?

Tudge assumes 'that agriculture arose because it was favored by natural selection' (1995, p. 274) and therefore looks for a genetic advantage. He suggests that because farming produces more food from a given area of land, farmers will produce more children who will encroach on neighboring hunter-gatherer's lands and so destroy their way of life. For this reason, once farming arrives no one has the luxury of saying 'I want to keep the old way of life.' However, we know from the skeletons of early farmers that they were malnourished and sickly. So was there really a genetic advantage?

(Susan Blackmore, The Meme Machine p. 26-27)


This is a mystery to which there is no widely-accepted answer. It seems to me though that there must have been both opportunity and necessity.

Some theorists suggest that atmospheric CO2 levels shifted in a way that opened a window of opportunity for agriculture to develop. I haven't investigated this enough to form an opinion about its likelihood. But something special happened that led to the simultaneous development of agriculture in nine different places about 10,000 years ago.

I'm leaning towards a combination of population/resource pressure and climactic favorability, as the likely cause. Housing and clothing played a role, too; people in cultures with permanent housing and adequate clothing require 40% less food.

A couple of pages with notes about the origin of agriculture:

http://www.indyrad.iupui.edu/public/ebraunst/Agriculture.htm
http://courses.washington.edu/anth457/agorigin.htm

I recall being taught in sociology and anthropology class that the current theory about the origins of government, social stratification, and the division of labor is traceable to the development of irrigation systems. See for example this link. This thought might be worth exploring and examining further.

[identity profile] azaz-al.livejournal.com 2005-05-09 03:22 pm (UTC)(link)
(This will be one of my unpopular and weird, wacky, out-there kind of theories)

Isn't it interesting that many of these early cultures (I can't say all because I don't know all nine that you speak of) have a legend built around this agriculturalism? Stating that there is some heavenly interference/encouragement of becoming farmers?
Sumeria - Inanna steals knowledge from her father and brings it to earth in defiance of his wishes - agriculture (among many other skills) is taught to the people
Judaism - besides the Torah, where God punishes Adam by throwing him and Eve out of the garden and saying he must till the land, there is the Book of Enoch, which says the Nephilim came down to teach skills to men, and seems to hint at teaching agriculture, although it could be herbalism ("made them acquainted with plants")
Egypt - Osiris and his wife Isis taught the people agriculture, specifically of grains

When faced with a common myth, one can take it in one of several ways. One can decide it is literal - I do not. One can decide it is metaphorical, which seems to leave some questions unanswered - fwhy then would this have appeared simultaneously around the world in an age where communication between contintents was practiacally non-existent? Or one can decide it is a mix - that something happened which a very primitive people were not able to explain in terms other than that which they could use. The typical fall back is God did it, or Demons did it.
Did something happen which somehow came in such a way as to be interpreted to come from the sky? And did this something teach agriculture and other skills to people? Or is there a sort of human telepathy that exists by virtue of synchronistic evolution, so that all groups of humans arrive at a similar stage at a similar time?

[identity profile] sophiaserpentia.livejournal.com 2005-05-09 04:11 pm (UTC)(link)
The rationalist explanation would be that gods are overblown ancestors. If one says, "The ancestors taught us how to plant grain and raise sheep and cattle," that sounds far less, uh, numnious.

However, I'm pretty sure I told you about a vision I had in 1989 (I won't describe the circumstances publically), in which it was basically revealed to me that there was an "alien invasion" about 10,000 years ago, wherein humankind was infected with a kind of virus that led to civilization. I'm not sure I "believe" that, but it may not be functionally that far from the truth. I've seen other versions of this concept, for example in the very whacked-out Transmitter to God by Rhawn Joseph.

[identity profile] azaz-al.livejournal.com 2005-05-09 04:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Could not the "invasion" be a sort of interstellarly transported virus which affected the human brain? They now posit this is how life may travel between planets... and perhaps the notion of "Gods" or "aliens" is some sort of intuitive understanding of this process...

invasion vs. genetic engineering

[identity profile] delascabezas.livejournal.com 2005-05-09 04:31 pm (UTC)(link)
though i am loathe to admit any connection to creationists, i must say, the idea of alien intelligent design has always intruiged me. it does not seem unlikely at all that the "gods" of our ancestors, as well as the many gaps in our palentological and cultural records are connected to a manipulation in our predecessors by an outside force, looking to conduct genetic experiements (or trying to find sophisticated slave labor, perhaps even a future food source, if the culture liked brains, and the relative intelligence of a creature was directly proportionate to the brain).

the entire spiritual concept of prayer would have branched back to the roots of the first test subjects, who would have had to communicate with these entities to "learn" how to do things outside thier possible realm of experience. calling out and recieving an answer, to beings of immense power and experience, that hail from the heavens, and live outside of our understading...

it is not hard to see how all the icons spawned, if you take that template as a potential truth.

Re: invasion vs. genetic engineering

[identity profile] akaiyume.livejournal.com 2005-05-09 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Not every society has been (or even is - the Austrailian aboriginies for example) as "left-brained" and linear as ours is. And to an extend the development of modes of cognition can be socialized and taught. More "right-brained" societies have tended to develop more animistic spiritual views. This is more of a mystical state where one is connected with the universe and the spiritual essence flows through and connects all. In general this type of spirituality seems to be/have been more prevalent in less agricultually intensive and less literate, and definitely less alphabetically literate societies or some combination thereof. The developement of both agriculture and literacy would neccessitate a more sequential form of thought - the province of the left-brain where the self and the world would become more separated into discreete packets. So what could have once been a spirit one was connected with seems to be more of an outside influence and could have evolved into a 'god' - something to be prayed to rather than talked to. Make any sense?

[identity profile] akaiyume.livejournal.com 2005-05-09 08:11 pm (UTC)(link)
What would be the effects of increased atmospheric CO2 on the potency of hallucinogenic plants?