"People like sopiaserpentia and ladybabalon have EVERY RIGHT to point out the obvious"

Perhaps, perhaps not... I was raised Pentecostal, not Catholic. But most of the rest of my extended family was Catholic, and they seemed to share the same basic ideals, with a few theological differences. (Such as the one I was musing over this morning, of remembering always trying to come up with something silly to say when I was asked "What are you giving up for Lent?")