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sophiaserpentia ([personal profile] sophiaserpentia) wrote2003-03-25 09:38 am

Response to [livejournal.com profile] seraphimsigrist

If the primary motives behind the war were as they have been stated to be in the media -- the deposing of a cruel regime -- then I would agree that the best outcome to hope for now that war has begun would be a quick victory for the US.

But I keep coming back to my conviction that the primary motivation for the war was not to protect the people of Iraq but to establish a global military hegemony, to feed the military-industrial complex, and to "clear the way" for American businesses to gain advantages they do not already have in world markets. By "following the money" it's possible to explain every nation's stance in favor of or opposition to, the war.

That it all boils down to bucks and self-interest on every side makes this situation intolerably cynical for someone like me, who strives above all else to be a person of conscience and compassion.

Perhaps though, in its own way it is a blessing that governments and corporations (archons in every sense) have been forced to tip their hands. Without the charade of beneficence to hide behind, we can see them and their actions for what they really are.

[identity profile] arbiteroftruth.livejournal.com 2003-03-25 07:45 am (UTC)(link)
do you think that balance is sometimes effected irrespective of erroneous motives on the front end? in other words, is it possible that something better can be achieved regardless of the "real" reasons for this war, whatever that may or may not be?

(anthony de mello said something that has always stayed with me. and i paraphrase (egregiously): the world is crazy, but you, now, right now, are all right. i have always tried to remember that. his sentiment shouldn't prompt inaction, but it can afford, perhaps, a little peace.)


motivation

[identity profile] seraphimsigrist.livejournal.com 2003-03-25 07:47 am (UTC)(link)
I think sometimes the search for motivation can come
up fairly empty, there can be a complex of motivations
but none sufficient to explain the result, I do not think
the cynical ones you mention are at all sufficient, nor
are the ones that are perhaps more positive...not at all
sufficient, separately or together. and that is why people
cast about and fix on shadows and write what seems tome a lot
of nonsense. (in the great outside world that is not on live
journal )
The only thing I can come up with is that momentum plays
a large part in corporate as well as in personal life, things
continue to move once set in motion and develop their own
reasons which are not sufficient... they do for individuals
and this perhaps is a case where the patent insufficiency
of explanation might disclose the great force of momentum...
I dont really do political or any other argumentation on internet
and I hope my first note and this do not seem argumentative,
nor do I do dialectic...you said but I say...but no you werent
listening I said ,yes but you werent listening to me I really
said etc...I dont do that so I hope this can be enough or of
course, since you are an internet friend, by private email if
there is something to think about on these things...
+Seraphim.

[identity profile] anarktikos.livejournal.com 2003-03-25 08:17 am (UTC)(link)
Perhaps though, in its own way it is a blessing that governments and corporations (archons in every sense) have been forced to tip their hands. Without the charade of beneficence to hide behind, we can see them and their actions for what they really are.

I agree entirely, with but one caveat: seeing something for what it is is every bit as dependent upon the cleanliness of the sensory apparatus as it is upon the nakedness of what's being viewed.

[identity profile] azaz-al.livejournal.com 2003-03-25 08:21 am (UTC)(link)
And an even deeper irony - at least two of the nations in favor of peace - France and Russia - are probably in favor of peace because of under the table arms deals with Saddam Hussein... "follow the money" indeed.