Thanks; I'm still trying to make up my mind about alot of the Traditionalist dogma myself, though their application to the cycles of time seems at the very least self-consistent as well as consistent with some of my own learning and observations. "The whole thing represents prayer" is something I will have to meditate on. The larger questions, for all their apparent impersonality, do I agree require a good deal of personal interaction among individuals to offset the very often stale medium at hand; and I wholeheartedly agree even larger doses of beer to chase it with :-)